How to write a letter to Team hubpages
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How to respond, regretfully
Writing has experienced an amazing evolution throughout the course of humanity. Long gone are the days of the cave men, with their primitive paintings on damp, gloomy, and dark cave walls. In their place are the internet trolls, acting as cheap impersonators of those neanderthals from long ago.
Were that youtube could be the only place to find shining examples of that modern day cave man. They are everywhere, it seems. Scarier still, they breed.
Before digressing too far off the beaten path, this hub should be used ONLY as a general guideline in responding to Team hubpages should you be fortunate enough to receive one of their BANNED emails. While some might question the need for bans, they do indeed serve their purpose. Sort of.
When writing your letter, address the person(s) formally, thanking them for any gifts you might have received. In a respectful manner, address any concerns you might have, ending with a somewhat formal closing.
The all-American hubpages internet troll debate team:
Dear team
Dear Team hubpages,
Thank you, you rock!
This letter is in response to the email you sent me today. First up, I do not question your ban. Onward.
Actually, what make the forums an “unfriendly place,” as you refer to them in your email, are the trolls, sock puppets, and multiple personality disorders that bring nothing to the site, whether it be in the forums or in the comments they make on various hubs.
In the few short months I've been with hubpages there has been a noticeable decline in quality forum discussions, and now, even in hubs being produced. Yes, you’ll come back and say it’s because of the personal attacks by all parties involved. Then I’ll have to reply and say thank you, team hubpages, you are correct. Then I’ll have to add that the good people are leaving your site or are not participating in your program as much as they once were.
But I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know.
At some point, as several fellow hubbers have discussed via private email, team hubpages will wake up one morning and realize their forums are filled with said trolls, sock puppets, and multiple personality disorders (remember, they breed); then you’ll be in scramble mode trying to figure out how to generate income off a hub by the likes of m----r--p that bashes the likes of P-m Gr--dy. Of course, by then you hope to have the project sold, so it’s not your problem any more. Good luck.
Just as you "regret to inform" me of the ban, I regret to inform you that I won’t be able to finish my commitment to the January 30-day challenge. As you well know, it takes a considerable amount of effort in research to produce a quality hub. As you also well know, my hub efforts in this community are on par with some very good fellow hubbers; not with the best, yet, but at least with the very good, and certainly much better than the above referenced drivel. I see little need to continue busting my ass in production of said quality hubs - in my mind I find them to be of a certain quality, of course that’s a subjective analysis, but take a look at them anyhow - to generate revenue so that you can continue using that revenue for supporting the likes of the trolls, sockpuppets, and multiple personality disorders that have currently infected hubpages like a blight upon the land. Besides, with a three day ban imposed, it will be virtually impossible to get any work done.
While you are busy addressing an issue, you fail to solve the problem.
Thank you for your time.
blue dog
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Actually, in reality, quite honestly
I was almost crazy enough to do the January 30 day challenge. Until I got banned. Now, limited opportunities to participate in forum discussions will no doubt cause my author score to plummet. Add to the fact that the trolls have now morphed into squealing little pigs, and the hub scores will likely follow suit of the author score. Nevertheless, i shall not stumble. Next up in this informative series, How to make hamburger.
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lol! Well said, BD. With humor and grace. And you tell it like it is...like many here know, but perhaps the references to the bottom line WILL help. Their 'choices' are their choices, but who said they are wise choices?
Here, here. You Rock On, sir. :)
hey sweetiepie,
as stated, i do not question the ban. there are certainly some glaring discrepancies in what's happening. the sad thing about this is that when a team starts losing momentum, it's almost impossible to recover. "team" hubpages should understand that basic principle of competition.
hello lita,
it's always so much better to take a negative and turn it into a positive. such is the life of the banned criminal. that's it : just because management is in the management position does not necessarily qualify someone to be in a management position. i'm not saying that's the case here, but their problems aren't going away any time soon.
thanks, you two. you both are shining examples of what is good about hubpages.
What's going on? Why the ban? I'm sorry to hear that because you are one of those I follow.
I rarely visit the forums so I don't know much of what has been going on. On the rare times that I visited, I've indeed seen one or two comments that attack rather than support some hubbers. I just went out of there as fast as I could to avoid being caught in the crossfire.
I hope to still see you around soon.
You have to not let them (the trolls and the sockpuppets and the pitbulls) goad you into saying something that can get you banned...
Sorry about that, I will miss you on the forums this month.
hey jill,
officially called "personal attacks". i thought it was because i'd referred to a troll as a butt-wipe. regardless, one of the more popular trolls on the site has just returned from a ban himself (maybe herself, we can only guess), promising to police the forums and start, as i referenced in the hub above, "squealing like a little pig." their clan grows, and the growing problem is briefly addressed in this hub. it's all irrelevant, as it gives me time to work on several new blogs, two on photography - check them out, they're listed on my profile. as a photographer yourself, i think you'll enjoy. another thought for you to ponder, i'm thinking of setting up a blog roll on photography. let me know if you're interested in being included.
thanks for stopping by.
hello uw,
thanks so much for coming by. it's a 3-day ban, unlike the monstrous 30-day ban. as my gf stated, it's not surprising to her! but i slept well last nite. the beauty of this writing. so i've been told, is that good things come to those who wait. i think they were referring to writing...
anyhow, will hopefully have a new blog listed on my profile later today that will cover a general assortment of things, mostly environment, politics, and various other issues, a thin blue stream of social understanding. will be considering a blog roll for it as well, and would want to get you in on that , if you want. will be in contact.
Sandra Rinck just deleted a comment I made on her hub that disproved her claim about Obama being a Muslim.
It's funny to me how she gets to publish outright falsehoods, and gets a 100 score. Mitch Rapp writes one hub attacking Pam Grundy and spends the rest of his time on the forums.
Yet people like Pam get chased away, and you get banned.
Sometimes I wonder if I want my name and writing to be associated with this site. It's still a worthwhile endeavor for me, but the proliferation of junk here makes me want to pull up stakes.
Maybe the hubpages staff will read these comments.
Anyway bluedog, just keep on writing, here or elsewhere. See you on the flipside.
I have moved away from the forums quite a bit, sticking only to the Knowledge & Hubber Hangout forum. I agree, since I started here, the forums have gotten horrible. The sub-standard hubs and bashing is out right a sad situation here. I like writing and do not feel that there is a better place the Hubpages at this time. I agree, something needs to be done. If you got the January email, you'll note that UW and Relache were thanked for their efforts in flagging substandard hubs. Now that scared me a bit, I don't want my name sent out in a mass email that I've been flagging sub-standard hubs. The sock puppets and trolls need to be banned!
hi william,
thanks for coming by. there's such a weird energy out and about these days. like i asked ralph the other day, is it that some of us become more aware with age, or is it all so blatant that even i can't help but notice. will pm you later.
hey jane,
great point about that name association bit. unfortunately, it all gets back to leadership, whether it be in the local coffee shop or the white house, or any place in between. hp is busy promoting itself as a writer's site that produces quality content. if so, then a huge garage sale should be in order. if it is in fact a writer's site, then all members should be required to write. set standards regarding both quality and quantity. i work my ass off here, struggling to get a 95 score, while some pure and unadulterated garbage consistently stays at the 100 spot. it's a brilliant scheme for those on the payroll. and for some of those at the 100 spot.
multiple accounts is not the issue here. the issue is the blatant and in-your-face abuse of many of those accounts. publicly i.d. all multiple account users, especially the trolls. if they're to be allowed, make them show their true colors.
problems are easier fixed when there is an acknowledgement of problems in the first place. therein lies the problem for hp.
I have a permanent ban for saying the word 'cunt', after Aevans kicked up a fuss. Now I read the forum and see crazy facists free to discuss 'human culling'. That is it for me, this place has died.
hey ryan,
i read that hub the other day before it disappeared, to the point you were. at first i thought you might have been upset over her top 200 hubbers for '09 list, seeing how manly, tex, sneak, and tk made it. that's a fine example of top hubbers there. i digress.
i'm with you, it's not only dead, but the smell of rotting flesh is a bit overpowering. several other quality individuals are of the same mindset. it will be fun to watch the ongoing implosion.
Some hubbers like to flatter certain individuals I consider to be troublemakers, but I am not sure why. That is their business I suppose, but I just cannot turn a blind eye to those who are mean spirited, or down right hateful. I think I set one aback because I informed him I way too refined to call people names as he did.
hey sp,
yes, the forums have definitely devolved into a huge mind-f_ck game lately. i'm with you, lita, and ryan on this one: it's increasingly obvious that they are a waste of time. they serve one main purpose: a complete and absolute and total distortion of page view numbers.
Did you get banned finally? LOL, long overdue :D
Misha,
That is so totally rude. Why would you even have the audacity to say that to Blue Dog when you yourself are not above belittling people.
I haven't been banned but I agree that some peole need to be or kicked off completely for their offensive behavior. Seems to me, and a few others too, that these people only get a slap on the wrist while those who speak up get slammed. I don't name call either but been called many offensive names.
Do not fret Lady Guinevere, many of us who have posted her have been harassed and picked on. I simply refuse to sink to that level because that is not my personality, but it is interesting how certain people seem to get away with their trouble making ways. All forums have a twinge of the junior high school mentality, but the forums here have devolved a bit more in the recent past. There are certain forums where this does not happen, but in general you cannot post anything on the religion or politics forum without someone starting a hate thread, or something of the like.
Oh those who have blantantly harrassed me think they are smart becausu they will do it on the comments in their hubs and not even get close to the forums. These kinds of things also need to be checked out.
Sweetie, I am definitely not an angel, but I know where the line is. Some people need to learn this, too :)
Well there is one truly offensive hub about Pam up at the moment, and I am not even sure why this hubber wrote the things he said about her. He is perfectly capable of writing hubs on various topics, but he one on only hub is about how he wishes violence on her, and thinks various other individuals are a junior high term that, to be quite frank, shows his maturity.
Misha,
I myself never say anything overly blunt or crass. I can keep myself in check, and I have never been banned because of that. I can understand though how a few have said things that crossed line because there are a few that push the buttons. There are also some really libelous hubs up at the moment wishing violence on people, and that is not okay.
I just read it, and I agree to him to an extent. Pam is a talented writer, but she is totally messed up IMO - which pretty often go together :)
And I believe he did not call the name :)
As for the violence, your friend Richard (CWB) calls for it for quite some time already, in every hub :)
Misha,
No Pam is not messed up at all, and you simply do not agree with her view point. Unless you are a psychologist privately consulting and evaluating someone you do are not in the position to make that decision, and they would never disclose such a ridiculous comment in a public setting. Actually, she is a very functional person, but you do not agree with her view points and lifestyle. I also recall a couple of comments you made about how she would end up in a concentration camp, and I really thought those were in poor taste. By the way I really do not read CWB hubs, so I would not know what he is talking about in them.
ah, hubpages biggest and sorriest troll finally arrives. mr. super fanner himself.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree Sweetie - as usual :)
Hi, doggy :)
misha/t/tk,
it was the "squealing little pigs" part that i knew would bring you running.
AHHHhhh. I will not argue with trolls, I will not argue with trolls. I am missing you on the forum tonight :)
If you miss the forum or want a change visit Jimmythejock's group on ning. It is a bit dead but maybe it's time to start using it more.
hey uw!!
they're so predictable. i do have some great material, though, for my next hub: why everyone loves moosha.
thanks, uw!
i'll go check things out.
Hi Blue.I grew up in a bad bad ghetto where everyone is a threat,then I went to Nam and you don't want to here about that.
When I came to HP I had that mentality which got me ignored and ostracized.Fair enough.
I have discovered through trial and error that there are some really decent people here.
You are one of them.
Please forgive me for using this Hub as a platform.
I apologize to the people I have offended.
I shall Prove that a leopard Can change his spots if y'all will give me another chance.
Dean F...
hello dean,
i thought so.
war has affected many people, many families, mine included. i once knew a war photographer who refused to talk of the experience. i see and know what it does to people, to families, to loved ones. we live in a screwed up country that keeps screwing the general populace.
time is the great healer. if animals can change, so to can people. when change is necessary, the ones who refuse that change are the one who will not grow as human beings.
thank you for stopping back in.
Hi, BD. So, how is it going? Any word?
I lost a fan today. I imagine because I told M.R. he is defaming me publically having called me a racist when I work with minorities. Oh! Let's not forget the book I wrote on the Scottsborough Boys and the papers on social justice.
Yeah, frankly, the whole 'enterprise' here is beginning to remind me of high school. Mr. Misha, hey there: not only Pam's detractor, but one of few men to ever call me a "bitch." What a pleasure to see you here, yeah. Thought you'd gone away for a while. But I imagine you have some friends among the popular crowd, yeah, for the ammount of information you leak about. Just my reading. And something I've always wanted to say, as you are so open about your life - I think many people would definitely judge you as being messed up in how you go about battering those who you disagree with politically, express themselves better than you, or who will not flirt with you. It's quite disfunctional.
hello lita,
going great, a busy day with the comments here. you're right about the high school thing, possibly even elementary. checked in on the forums this afternoon to see what i was missing and it was then that reality hit home: as the set-up currently stands, they are a total joke. as commented earlier, designed only for the benefit of hp to show super-inflated page views. ryankett wrote an interesting hub today. didn't realize he's been banned for life from the forums. meanwhile, the mr's, tk's, and tmm's continue to spew forth drivel.
it was so hilarious to see misha show up here. thought about reporting him for baiting me, but instead just hung him out to dry. it was inevitable. con men are a dime a dozen, and he qualifies as one of the best on hp. he just had to show up, all his other alter egos are currently banned, getting banned or re-banned. ha!
I think the thing to do may be to just avoid the forums altogether. Hard to do sometimes if you feel the urge to correct idiocy, as I do.
I don't have any better idea. I am angry that people like Mitch Rapp or TK can bully people freely here, but it seems to be the price for a truly free publishing platform. For every Sandra Rinck there is a Lita, or a Bluedog or a Mikelong, etc.
For my part I just try to avoid the mudslinging, and I leave when it starts to look pointless. Most of the time when I present facts they are ignored. So what's the point?
I'm sure there are better ways for us to get our message across (whatever it may be for each of us) than arguing with the trolls on the forums.
hey william,
you are truly one of the breaths of fresh air on hp. it would be so disappointing if you were mitch! ha! couldn't relate you to tk, as he's misha's pet.
you're right, there's little value to the forums anymore. as stated earlier, if people want to be part of a writing community, then write. it's not rocket science to come up with a solution. you know there is something seriously wrong with the system when the likes of ryan kett are permanently banned from the forums, even if his outburst was profound.
imagine what it will be like when tk and tex return. if you can. the trolls are sucking hp dry.
examiner requires one to submit a sample of writing skills. it's simple. you write well, you're approved.
it could happen here. but not. urban sprawl. unchecked growth. overpopulation. ghettos.
write well. produce frequently. generate traffic. public id on all multiple accounts. the current sheep and cheetah show going on in the forums is borderline simpleton.
Agreed, William and BD. I said words to the same effect as both of you on Ryan's hub. The sad thing was, the forums used to be somewhat different places. Even the Republicans (lol) could generate some good discussion. I guess perhaps I am angry because the moderation seems SO uneven. I would imagine that someone in HP management doesn't like me much-probably because I sent a few long e-mails that made too much sense. It is interesting, for instance, that Ryan gets banned for using the word "cunt," ie, and I was called a "bitch" several times by trolls who clearly harrass people, including me. And I was banned for making 'attacks' on said trolls. I simply cannot rule out the idea HP LIKES the trolls...perhaps thinks they are good for business (stoking controversy, thus views) or a few trolls work in some capacity for HP.
lita,
bingo! trolls in management. it's why it is what it is.
page views and trolls, no place but hubpages.
and to lady guinevere,
i am so sorry to have overlooked your comments this afternoon. i got so excited with the crossfire between sweetiepie and hubpages most fanned troll that i foolishly failed to acknowledge you. a bad moment on my part, please accept the apology. it was akin to going fishing. you always think about catching a big fish. then, once the hook is set, you want to make all the correct moves. sun, wind, rain, they're all irrelevant. in this particular case, it really wasn't much of a fight. in fact, one of the easiest fish i've ever landed. for the most part, a total flop.
you are so correct about the harassing on the hubs, as we clearly see with today's troll. that, of course, gets back to lita's comment above this one.
Hi blue dog,
Oh, so that's the reason why. I don't like depressing topics so I will not say anything about that aspect.
I just want to let you know that I checked out your two photography blogs and I like them. I also have a photography blog (it's in my profile) but I have not updated lately. And yes, I will be honored and happy to join your blogroll on photography. Thank you.
I'm new to hubpages so I'm the last person who can talk, but is it true that unless you stay a lot on the forum your hubscore doesn't grow so much? Anyhow I've found too that some top hubbers, above 95 author score, can publish commercial hubs without real good content and still have a hubscore permanently over 90. Seems like a kind of inner sect. I have to say though that as this hub hasn't been banned a certain amount of freedom is still granted.
hello jill,
i guess on a certain level it might be depressing, so in order to not get too depressed i tend to think of it as all being rather absurd!
will contact you when that blogroll gets going, am currently spending far too much time researching url's.
thanks for stopping back in.
hypnodude,
thanks for checking by. hope you find your time on hubpages to beneficial. there are a few truly exceptional people here that you can learn much from, that's if they don't all leave or get permanently banned from the forums first.
if you'll read the info about hp, you'll see that, yes, you are encouraged to participate in the forums in order for your score(s) to grow. the reality is that the site is a page-driven site. page views drive revenue. nowhere is pageview a bigger king than within the realm of hp marketing. it's basic. your pv's, my pv's, and anyone else concerned about pv should realize that. we are secondary.
your observation about a sect is astute. they are in every organization ever known to man. pity the fools with their personal agendas. keep that thought in mind as you find your way around hp.
hypno, what part of this hub would constitute reason for a ban? it seems that would be a foolish thing to do. look at the comments above and you can easily identify some very fine people, along with one complete fool. that is a good platform from which you can spring from, and will ultimately determine your hp circle.
welcome to hp!
Thank Blue dog. I'll keep your advices. As you say there are no reasons to ban this hub. I think a good debate is always enriching. I think that every place needs people to say what's fine and people to say what's wrong, or can be made better. As an example I edited my hubs in a better way after some friends told me to modify them a little. I think you are doing a good job debating about this. :)
thanks, hypno!
I am too nice in my nature, and I definitely held back when addressing Misha. All I can say is when I first became active on the forums he and several of his friends went out of their way to make me feel unwelcomed. He even started an entire thread attacking me just because I deleted his comment. He has never been above hurting anyone's feelings, or making them feel as it the are ostracized. If I had been a weaker person I probably would never have posted on the forums again, but several kindly hubbers reminded me of how he delights in making people feel bad.
He goes about it in a jovial way, so people think he is cute or funny. He may not go to the extremes of tk, but I have to say his comments about Pam are some of the lowest things I have ever read. Anyone declaring on a public forum that they believe someone is this and that is not about peace, and is just about wanting attention.
Actually I have learned over the years he likes people to see him, and he really wants attention. Also, I think HP keeps the trolls because they know controversy drives page views. It is sad, but that is the reality of this.
hey sweetiepie,
everything you say is spot on. having been self-employed most of my life, the lessons learned have helped me pick out con men almost immediately. he was the easiest of all to identify here on hp. his behavior yesterday combined with his attitude toward you on this hub proves it. people who hold him to such lofty standards are clueless.
lol ~ you're getting quite the comments, BD! it is sad what has happened to the forums, not that I've been here long enough to know how they were, but the first couple of months I was here, they were not this mean spirited and full of hi jacks. I don't know why anyone who is here professionally wants to be a part of that, there's enough in the real world to deal with (though nothing like I've seen here). I ask myself, why would I put myself in that kind of environment voluntarily? so I don't any longer. like attracts like. if the forums continue on their downward spiral, action will have to be taken, which I hope will happen. I know what I would do if it was my business.
you've got a lot of talent BD, now you can use your time in a worthy manner. best wishes for a fantastic 2010. :]
hi rebekah,
thanks for coming by! you are so correct about the forums situation. the downward spiral is getting frighteningly out of control. the ban(s), as stated in my letter to hp, only serves to address a particular issue. their problem hasn't gone away. to publicly identify all trolls would only create a pandora's box, as it is becoming increasingly clear that the trolls are implanted and implemented throughout the entire scheme. thus, no public i.d. such a pity.
you're also right about staying away from them. all one has to do is stay away for a day, then check in and see how utterly ridiculous they have become. much like network tv.
anyhow, thank you for the kind words, and all the best to you in oh-ten (yes, there was even a discussion about "proper" use of 2010 as well) !!!
I really hope and pray that H/P forum does not turn into an Inferno like Helium forums where insults, intimidation and bullies (paid by helium and part of the management) were ruling the forums and deciding who can say what.
The rest of us were being humiliated called names and terrorized than invited to leave or banned.
Blue no problem. Usually I am invisible but when I choose to speak up I am told that I whine and are too sensitive. What people don't realize it that I have this three strike rule. Third strike and you are gone. The forum thread that I started, people got upset because I made a generalized statement about all christian's being cruel. I had to do it that way. I got what I was after in the end. Immature people don't deserve my attention. I have way too many things to do to deal with those type of people.
Yes, well the final straw for me in the forums was someone calling Matisse's Dance painting pornography and referring to Michelangelo as an "artist". I'm taking a break :)
UW, no one noticed when I took a 6 week break a few months ago. I had enough when management told me that it was all my fault for the things that were being said to me. It was a very biased situation. I just had to walk away from it all.
wow, i step away to bake a lemon pound cake and come back to more comments. this is great!
hi petra,
although i had no first hand experience with the helium meltdown, several people mentioned it to me. seems like the comparison you use is a valid one, certainly on the surface. this ban was a good thing for me, as it has allowed a brighter light to be cast upon the forums, confirming what many are writing here in this comment section. in addition to the bullies, one of which foolishly showed up here yesterday, there is also a childlike mentality that has run amok in the forums. that mentality is even more glaring when one steps away from it all for a day or two. it's doubtful that hp saw this coming. if they did, then somebody's gotta lotta explainin' to do.
thanks for stopping in.
lady g,
what's going on here is a deflection of responsibility. management, in any arena, wants all the credit when things are going great. when things start heading south then it's the "we regret to inform you" form letter that gets sent. it's that age old conundrum: now that we've got it, what are we supposed to do with it. you can't put people in leadership positions if they don't have leadership skills. its a very basic formula.
thanks for coming back by.
uw,
sorry to have missed out on the dance discussion. bummer. like i mentioned to william this morning, the forums do have their up side. whenever anyone has a mental block about writing, five minutes in there is all one needs to come up with a wealth of material. send me the link to that discussion, if you don't mind.
it's almost as if we need to start having our discussions in our own hub comment sections. the quality of discussion here, with the obvious exception, is what the forums for a writing sight ought to be like.
thanks for checking back by.
that pound cake ought to be cooled down by now...
ha!
i loved your black velvet comment. probably a good thing i wasn't in that discussion...
Oh well, it's motivated me to do a hub on Matisse and other artists...many of whom paint nudes (gasp!)
Hmm... I wonder if we could organize a boycott of the forums?
William - I'm in, lol.
UW, I almost joined in on that 'discussion.' I have a degree in art. But I bit my typing fingers and let them go ahead and say stupid things. Some of the sarcastic remarks you made are rather funny, though.
BD - I'm just wondering if you ever got a response e-mail from HP, or did they completely ignore what you wrote?
uw,
you better watch that pournawgrafi stuff - the troll police are out looking for violations of the tos.
william,
i see limited participation for me. that could change. but the level of discourse is in the gutter, with only a handful of exceptions. seems better to converse thru our hubs. this has proven to be a quite pleasant experience. in fact, the most enlightening thread i've seen in some time. we can actually control who is allowed in! that's why they're not showing up - well, except for king troll - it's that fear of rejection.
in fact, i've already got two new hub titles out of all this.
hey lita,
no response, so i'm probably being ignored. but i'm sure this thread's being closely monitored, based on pv's alone.
the picture is becoming very clear, based on what everyone here is saying. there's only one way to run a site this huge with a limited staff.
it seems most of the forum trouble comes from the political and religious forums, so why not get rid of them? if people want to write political and religion based hubs, then they can have comments on their own hubs instead of having it in a forum setting. if they don't like the comments, they can control it themselves. the forums should be for discussions and fun, not attacks and ridicule and judgments. hope something gets worked out.
hey rebekah,
again, you are so correct. it's so much nicer to have a discussion that we have a bit of control over. it's inevitable that the trolls will still show up, but as you say, we get to decide when to push the delete button. i guess that's how those guys in nevada must feel when they activate the drones over afghanistan. wait. i better save that for the political hub.
thanks again, for your insight. very valid points.
Check out the "If you're a liberal, ask yourself, why?" post on the forums tonight, everyone, for some brilliantly amusing dialogue. Almost as good as the Matisse one or the "Who should be culled" one. OMG Their attempt at defining Thoreau's "Walden Pond" for starters.
I still contend that it is the trolls that have seen the collapse of the forums. Sure, there were always heated arguments in religion and politics. (Those can be fun, lol.) But there was just more general respect--and intelligent posters writing paragraphs, not 3 word replies, were more the mainstay say, 6 months back. Not so much junk, ridicule, debasement, slander, defamation...and trolls....I could go on.
looks like cosette's video link sums up that discussion perfectly. you are correct about the missing intelligence in the forums. i guess its a form of revenge for all those criminal peace activists from the 60's and 70's. today's contemporary conservative will never forget that shameful moment in history. long live bubba.
Hey blue dog, long time no chat. Love the new hub and it is totally true. I have actually "banned" myself from the forums because I am tired of the drama and negativity and the mass bannings that had been going on. So yea this is a great hub! Love it! Miss you!
hey crazd,
thanks for stopping in! lots of drama, for sure. another for sure is that by staying out of them one has to spend less time watching one's backside. the trolls, troll/forum police, con men, and squealing little pigs are all getting to be a bit much.
I have not seen that thread about the liberals, but maybe they are talking about it because I mentioned I liked Thoreau. Come to think about it I told a hubber who does not believe in climate change that it was a very interesting book to read.
I have stayed off the forum, and in the past I stayed off for two months. I was proud of myself for that :).
will miss you blue, will continue to read your other articles too, in the meantime write some mroe article, Maita
Interesting thread about "Walden's Pond". I read that book as a teenager, long before we heard about climate change. I don't particularly want to live like that but I do try not to waste resources. If it is true or not, it's in everyone's interest to make your life more green. I'm surprised more didn't know what it was...or maybe not judging that the IQ level on the forum has plummeted recently (oops, didn't mean to sound elitist...)
hi sweetiepie,
seems like staying off the forums is a good thing, its just that there's such a wealth of hub material on them. i see them in a new light, but still, the injustices remain and are rather blatant.
hi pdh,
thanks for coming by. it won't be long though, i'll be back in there, if for no other reason than to laugh at a few.
uw,
see, that just it. we're not being elitist. but when an objective comparison is made, well...
living green is really the only hope for the future. i was surprised, pleasantly, when attending a straw bale conference in canada two years ago, how many straw bale homes there are up there. quite an awareness.
Hey Bluedog, It isn't over yet, I got banned today. I wrote a hub about it too. Check it out. It wasn't for language or bullying or anything like that. Everyone please be aware that positng your links in hubs is not permitted and you will not get a warning, you will just get banned from the forums! It's all on my hubpage.
lady g,
i read your hub, this is all going way overboard. you know, things like this have a way of coming back and biting people when they least expect it.
I agree.
SweetiePie Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago
Totally agree. I noticed there is one particular person that preaches hate of Muslims, and he is not being banned. Not sure why upstanding hubbers who stand up for what is right are banned, whereas others get away with saying highly offensive things.